Seeking an online antique copper store; identification of a crane logo; an unusual bain marie; what’s this bail-handled pot?
Can you suggest a website specializing in buying and selling antique copper pots?
There are a number of eBay and Etsy sellers who focus on antique and vintage copper cookware, and there are also many online antique and estate sale sites (such as Rubylane, 1stdibs, Chairish, et cetera), but these all rely on the information provided by individual sellers. I’m not aware of a single online site focused exclusively on copper, nor of a site that’s conducting independent research to identify or appraise copper.
If such a site exists I would love to know about it, as I’m eager to learn. Readers, do you know of a site like this?
I have a really old small copper tea pot on a stand that has a marking on the bottom which is E.D. Paris and what looks like a crane sipping from a tall vase. Any ideas would be greatly appreciated.
The “ED” in the logo stands for E. Diem and the stamp is for Dinanderie Française. The company specialized in cafetières russes, a style of coffeemaker with a central horizontal pivot, as well as théières like yours. The listing at right is from the 1900 edition of the business almanac and shows the company at 62 bis Avenue Parmentier in Paris.
According to its advertisements, the company was founded in 1886. By 1900, as shown at right, E. Diem had been joined in the venture by R. Poëy. I see the firm listed in 1928, but there is a break in the online records available to me, and the next industrial listings for 1935 have no listing for E. Diem. But there is “La Dinanderie Francaise” at 28-30 Rue du Borrégo — perhaps the next iteration of the firm?
In any event, primary sources establish that the company existed with that crane logo from 1886 to at least 1928.
I hope this helps put some context around this lovely piece! Enjoy it!
I have a dovetailed heavy copper bain marie base with rimmed perhaps beverage container (or soup?) with the mark of a crown, underneath P.F.D.N., then N. 4. I assume this was for a banquet type use, perhaps on a ship or luxury hotel? This is obviously a bain marie arrangement for maintaining a hot beverage or potage of sorts, and due to container size is probably for commercial purposes. When the beverage piece is inserted into the base pan, the total height is approximately 15½ inches [about 40cm].
I can find no information as to maker and would like help in identifying the heavy pot(s).
First may I say, what marvelous pieces you have! All that elaborate hinge work around the lid is just gorgeous. John Fuller’s The Art of Coppersmithing has given me a deep appreciation for the amount of handwork it would have taken for a piece like this. And the care taken with the base — those four little button “feet” will keep it stable. It’s not only beautiful but also clever.
I agree with you that it was part of a bain marie setup. My theory is that it’s a chocolate pot for gently melting and mixing a chocolate drink. There would be no filter required for this, just a way to melt the chocolate without breaking or burning it. (It could also be for coffee or tea, of course, but those drinks don’t require the thermal protection of a bain marie.)
I’m not convinced the lower pot is an original part of the set, but it very well could be. The upper pot looks early 19th century to me, and the lower pot could also be of that era. That pot’s iron handle does not look French to me and very well could be English (or possibly Austrian?). I note that both the upper and lower pots have crimp seams which suggests they might be contemporaneous.
The coronet looks to be quite English and kingly to me — usually a coronet with an upper topknot is reserved for the king and royal blood — but I don’t know what PFDN could represent.
I haven’t seen other chocolate pots with this bain marie style construction — readers, what do you think of my theory? And do you have any thoughts about PFDN?
I have a pan I have been trying to identify. I am still trying to figure out the purpose and age of this pan. It is tinned copper measuring approximately 20cm by 8cm tall, with rounded sides. It has a dot on the bottom, a small tight rolled edge. The bail handle is attached by copper riveted tabs on the edge. What is confusing me is the small size of the pan vs the very large bail handle, approx. 8-9mm thick. It appears to be forged, and is very large, reaching over 20cm above the pan. Any idea of its use and approximate age would be greatly appreciated.
It’s hard for me to assess this piece because I don’t think it’s French (or European), so a lot of the visual cues I look for aren’t there. My best guess at the moment is that it’s Turkish, but that is just a gut feel.
What I do see is that it was shaped on a spinning lathe. The exterior has very fine lines all around the circumference — I think those are remnants of the shaping tool. Spinning lathes are ancient technology and there are many 19th century pieces shaped this way — they are all usually thin copper, perhaps 1-2mm thick maximum, because of the amount of force required to turn the lathe and force the metal into shape. Metal spinning lathes in the 20th century were much more powerful and you will see a range of pieces shaped this way.
So at this moment in time I can’t say whether this is a 19th century piece, or a 20th century piece made to look like a 19th century piece. The high bail handle is intended for hearth cooking — there would be some kind of hook or arm that pivoted over the flame. But again, the techniques to make this piece have existed since the 1800s and are still practiced today. It looks suspiciously perfect to my eye, which inclines me to suspect it’s a more recent piece, but I am not really in a position to say for sure.
Readers, what do you think? Have you seen more pieces like this?
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